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Re: Just curious but----

Post by HonzaP » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:12 pm

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drakkar wrote:For those who understand Norwegian :mrgreen: : Just found one of the animation clips about LdRKI (the book) shown in Norwegian television.
The animation is made prior to the film release, and it is interesting for once to wiew Oskar and Eli like they are decribed in the book. Quite different from Kåre and Lina actually.
Neat to see a different depiction of the characters. I don't think Mona B. Riise did the best job narrating, it was a bit staccato. I didn't realize it was her until the end (she is a former radio host).
narrator has very nice voice :) and yeah it is funny, especially fat Oskar hehe :D
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Re: Just curious but----

Post by gary13136 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:30 pm

HonzaP wrote:
decltype wrote:
drakkar wrote:For those who understand Norwegian :mrgreen: : Just found one of the animation clips about LdRKI (the book) shown in Norwegian television.
The animation is made prior to the film release, and it is interesting for once to wiew Oskar and Eli like they are decribed in the book. Quite different from Kåre and Lina actually.
Neat to see a different depiction of the characters. I don't think Mona B. Riise did the best job narrating, it was a bit staccato. I didn't realize it was her until the end (she is a former radio host).
narrator has very nice voice :) and yeah it is funny, especially fat Oskar hehe :D
I'm glad that the real Oskar was only "slightly chubby". The one in the cartoon looked like a beer keg with blond hair. It's a wonder the swing didn't break. :lol: Although I think Oskar came out better than Eli did. She looked like she just stuck a finger in a light socket. :shock:
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Re: Just curious but----

Post by gattoparde59 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:35 pm

Microwave Jellyfish wrote:Nyaaaah, that was funny. Eli looked like the great L Lawliet. 8-)
Yes he does. More sinister and boyish than Lina.

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Re: Just curious but----

Post by drakkar » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:58 pm

decltype wrote: Neat to see a different depiction of the characters. I don't think Mona B. Riise did the best job narrating, it was a bit staccato. I didn't realize it was her until the end (she is a former radio host).
She was better on TV - narrating from studio.
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Re: Just curious but----

Post by TheVoxHumanus » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:27 am

TAPETRVE wrote:There are hell a lot of people who didn't like the film. I find it way overrated, too, but that's because it severely fails as the Kunstmärchen it claims to be. It's shallow and ridden with empty and incoherent metaphors that have absolutely no connection to the meta level. That's what you call "pretentious". It falls in exactly the same category as The Fountain, which beyond its heartfelt plot is also pretty much a truckload of utter amateur-spiritualist bullshit. Nevertheless, it's a beautiful film to look at and as a mere feast for eyes and ears and soggy hearts, it serves well. But then, so do a lot of movies nowadays.
It's a Buddhist parable. It's not pretentious. I think it's a beautiful movie.

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TAPETRVE wrote:Alfredson's film has no pseudo-mythological metaphors. It doesn't dwell on elaborate clicheés of dreamy kids and disillusioned grownups - they (kids and adults, wishes and reality)) are just there with no further wannabe-symbolic undercurrent. And most of all, it doesn't try to be a fairy tale and fail so hard at its task. The one big failure of El Labirinto del Fauno is that it basically reenacts The little Match Girl but goes way aboard with involving further elements that don't have any point at all. As a fairy tale, it doesn't work.
It's about a little girl escaping into her fantasy world away from the horrible reality she lives in. That's it. It's a bit like Gilliam's Brazil in that respect. The "moral" of the tale is that the only way out of this awful life you happen to find yourself in is madness/fantasy escape. I think that's a far more useful comment than any straight fairy tale would be. I don't think its purpose was ever to BE a fairy tale.

The film's structure (a loosely connected fairy tale framework) informs us how Ophelia thinks about her world. She read, but did not fully comprehend in any kind of an adult way, her fantastical books. It doesn't exist on any kind of "meta" level because she never thought of them like that -- she picked and chose which parts she liked and she imagined herself in them (she was a princess, she escaped the Pale Man, she retrieved the key from the frog, she was the ultimate hero in her story). Didn't you do that when you were little? I know I did. When she dies, we get to see her "Heaven", or what she imagines in her dying moments. ("Oh, I really *am* a princess, and they let me in after all! I did a good deed!")

It was pretty well established that she escaped into her books quite often. I don't think it was intended to teach any lessons apart from the resiliency of and the respite imagination can bring, especially when we need it most.

At the end of the movie Brazil, we find Sam Lowry humming the song "Brazil" in a state of madness and we find out he's been imagining Harry Tuttle and his band of militant Air Conditioning Repairmen saving him. He runs off with his (now miraculously alive) love Jill to a little home in the country to live happily ever after -- except not really. He's been tortured and probably lobotomized. The moral of the story? The only escape is through madness.

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Re: Just curious but----

Post by Jessy7217 » Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:06 pm

drakkar wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:31 pm
For those who understand Norwegian :mrgreen: : Just found one of the animation clips about LdRKI (the book) shown in Norwegian television.
The animation is made prior to the film release, and it is interesting for once to wiew Oskar and Eli like they are decribed in the book. Quite different from Kåre and Lina actually.
Is there anywhere else, I can see this at? This link doesn't work.

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Re: Just curious but----

Post by drakkar » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:15 pm

Jessy7217 wrote:
Sat Apr 15, 2023 5:06 pm
drakkar wrote:
Wed Mar 03, 2010 1:31 pm
For those who understand Norwegian :mrgreen: : Just found one of the animation clips about LdRKI (the book) shown in Norwegian television.
The animation is made prior to the film release, and it is interesting for once to wiew Oskar and Eli like they are decribed in the book. Quite different from Kåre and Lina actually.
Is there anywhere else, I can see this at? This link doesn't work.
Still works on my Mac. Damn, it has been thirteen years since I watched it!
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Re: Just curious but----

Post by Siggdalos » Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:13 pm

The link works for me (Firefox on PC), but I'd have to make a Vimeo account to watch it.

Looks at above post.

Looks at username.

Looks at username again.

Wait, what the heck? After eight years of absence, is that a new drakkar post I see? :D
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Re: Just curious but----

Post by sauvin » Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:37 pm

Drakkar, where in Fantasy have you been!?
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Re: Just curious but----

Post by cmfireflies » Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:55 am

I like to think that a lot of old members are still lurking around.
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